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would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

26 May 2015 19:25

Hi there

My Mum is currently in hospital. She has been there for two weeks. She has blood clots on both lungs and pain in her stomach, enlarged Lymph nodes in lungs and stomach. They did an Endoscopy on her stomach a week ago and tissue was taken for biopsy. They said the biopsy results would be back in two weeks time. Two days after the endoscopy, two doctors have told my Mum they 'think' she has either Lymphatic cancer or stomach cancer. How can they say this to someone without biopsy results ? Has anybody else had this happen to them ? She is going for a PET scan next tuesday.

Thanks for any advice 

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

26 May 2015 20:32 in response to joey123

Hi there:) , sorry to hear about your mum on the day I got my biopsys done the sergeon told me by her knowledge & of what she had seen before that I had a tumour & it was  cancer . Unfortunately  she was right . These people know ther stuff, & I don't think they would say anything like this unless they were certain, I can only hope & pray for u that this time ther wrong  xx  

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

26 May 2015 22:36 in response to kat32xo

thank you for replying to me. Just wanted someone else's take on things. I hope you are coping with your diagnosis.Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. x

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

26 May 2015 23:40 in response to joey123

Joey,

As Kat has said, it does happen.

I would add that normally this sort of statement would be qualified with the words possibly or probably. In my case I was told that I had a "growth" and that we would only know the type and whether or not it was benign after the biopsy results came back.

Although it was a shock, and I obviously wanted the results to show something different, the early warning gave me time to prepare myself for bad news. 

I hope your Mum's doctors were wrong and the results show something different. The PET scan will show in detail the size and shape of whatever was discovered during the endoscopy. 

 

Best wishes
Dave

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

27 May 2015 11:56 in response to davek

thank you for your reply Dave. Until last week I had never heard of a Pet scan. I assummed they would be able to see everything from the endoscopy and the ultrasound. The doctor said that they do not perform pet scans that often. Don't understand if that has any relevance or not. Jo x 

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

27 May 2015 16:53 in response to joey123

Jo,

It sounds as if they are being very thorough, which is always a good thing. There are standard care pathways which use standard diagnostic tests. It's all routine, as they say on the best TV cop shows.

I'm not an expert but here's my simplified take on different scans (I'm hope someone who knows more about these things than I do will jump in and correct me if I get it wrong and I've added links to an NHS website which explains each of them). These are in ascending order of granularity/level of detail (and cost).

Ultrasound - uses high frequency soundwaves whose echoes are recorded and put on a screen. These are pretty good at spotting solid lumps like babies and some types of cancer, but there isn't much detail and the pictures can easily be obsured. In my case the ultrasound showed nothing, but I was told that this didn't mean that I was out of the woods.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Ultrasound-scan/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Endoscopy - a lovely experience as you know. The camera goes down (or up if the problem is at "the other end") and you can see every bump, lump and scar as it progresses. Small pieces of tissue can be cut out for testing (biopsies) without the need to cut into the body. In my case the endoscopy showed a large lump that hadn't shown up on the ultrasound and the bipsies identified that it was cancer and what type of cancer it was.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Endoscopy/Pages/Introduction.aspx

X-rays - the good old-fashioned 2D representation. Sometimes a standard X-ray for something else will show an unexpected "shadow" which will lead to a referral for further tests and scans.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/X-ray/Pages/Introduction.aspx

CT scan. A high number of salami slice X rays are taken of your body. These have enough detail to show exactly where a cancer is, whether it has spread elsewhere and, by comparing with earlier scans,  any changes in size.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ct-scan/pages/introduction.aspx

MRI scans - you lie in a strong magnetic field and radio-frequency waves are directed at your body. This produces highly detailed 3 D images of your body. MRI scans are often used to plan any physical surgical work. 
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/MRI-scan/Pages/How-does-it-work.aspx

PET scans - a special chemical is injected and the PET scan shows how this has built up - an indication of how well different organs are functioning. PET scans are often used with either CT or MRI scans to give the team with a really good view of what is happening.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/PET-scan/Pages/Introduction.aspx

 

I hope this helps!
Dave

 

would a doctor say you have cancer before biopsy results ?

28 May 2015 19:13 in response to davek

Thank you so much Dave. The information you have given me is very useful. I hope you are dealing with  your own  diagnosis. Thanks for taking the time to help others too. Mum has the Pet scan on tuesday. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Jo x

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10 Oct 2018 21:13 in response to joey123

I have a lump and had an ultrasound. The NP suggested cancer Without a biopsy and the oncologist did as well without a biopsy. The Oncologist and I had words (Not nice ones). I've since decided not to get a biopsy, found an MD that agrees with me about not getting the biopsy and am using more wholistic methods. 

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10 Oct 2018 21:59 in response to joey123

I'm so sorry about your Mum but yes, Doctors do tell you before the biopsy, but once it's confirmed that is when things will be clearer.   Most have a scan,  pet scan, biopsy and then you will be given the full results.  I hope this helps you a little bit.   Carol

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10 Oct 2018 23:34 in response to SimoneH

 

Hi Simone,

A very warm welcome to our forum. I am sorry to hear about your findings. Has your ultrasound shown up any irregularities?

Can I ask what your MD is doing in the way of more holistic methods, in order to avoid having a biopsy?

Please let us know how you get on. We are always here for you.

Kind regards,

Jolamine xx

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11 Oct 2018 02:29 in response to Jolamine

Hi Jolamine, thank you for the warm welcome. Much appreciated. I had the one done and haven't been back. That one showed a growth and a node. My doctor of course changed the way I eat, certain supplements like vitamin D sublinqual and emotional healing from the inside out.Other stuff too much to write down, etc. As we are 3-dimensional beings - emotional healing and spiritual healing - That's really where the healing begins in my humble opinion. Thanks for asking. 

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23 May 2019 12:33 in response to joey123

hi this happened to me yesterday, I had a breast screening has I had found a lump , after the screening the doctor told me there was actually four lumps and they defo wernt cysts , she didn’t say in so many words that I defo had breast cancer but she didn’t need to , she took biopsy’s and said they would send them away to see how far it is and how we are going to treat it I thought you needed the results back first but she obv must know what she could see and feel , Bev x

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23 May 2019 16:22 in response to blhope

 

HI Blhope,

Doctors are working with cancer day in day out and have a fair idea of what is and isn't cancerous from the beginning. I was told by my consultant on my first visit that it was most likely to be cancer, but I still had to wait for the results of my biopsy to confirm this. I have had 2 bouts of breast cancer, 9 and 10 years ago. I had the same experience on both occasions.

This will be a worrying week for you until you get your results back, but I hope that your results are not as dire as you're expecting.

Please let us know how you get on. We are always here for you.

Kind regards,

Jolamine xx

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23 May 2019 16:28 in response to Jolamine

am I over worrying and thinking that I’m only going to have five more years to live ? I keep reading things on the internet I can’t seem to stop myself I’m also due to go on holiday on the 14 th June do you think this is going to stop me goin my family will be so upset 

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23 May 2019 16:31 in response to SimoneH

 

Hi Simone,

It has been some time since we heard from you and I am just wondering how you are doing?

I am sorry to hear that you have decided not to have the biopsy.

Whilst I agree that there are many lifestyle and holistic ways of treating cancer, it is easier to treat it once you know exactly what type, grade and stage of cancer you've got. Once you've got these details to hand , you can also see whether or not the changes you are following are working for you.

Emotional and spiritual healing are all very well, but you need a bench mark to be able to see how well they are all working for you.

I hope that you are still keeping well and, holding on to that positive attitude.

Kind regards,

Jolamine xx